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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Dec 7, 2008 6:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Breaking the rules

Hey, WT - interesting discussion you were having there with midnight - sorry I wasn't around to join in at the time.

Just as a kind of post scriptum I think my views on the subject chime largely with your own. To my mind, in order to break the rules effectively you first have to learn the rules, whether it be knowing how to construct a coherent sentence or discovering the right places to put your fingers to make the notes you want. Of course it is possible to break the rules without knowing that they exist but that just comes out of ignorance and naivety - the result may be accidentally pleasing but it doesn't have the same worth as something deliberately fashioned by someone who memorised the rulebook and then threw it out the window anyway. Case in point, one J.J. Garcia, known to the assembled company, who put long long hours of practice into learning scales. He knew you had to put in the spadework if you wanted to set foundations for building (brokedown) palaces on.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 7, 2008 7:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Breaking the rules

Hey Rob--yep, yesterday saw quite the diversity of topics! Was "working" hard (ie, on the computer anyway) so taking breaks every 30 min or so (my rule of thumb) had me visiting the forum and finding everything from "did MDew from 8-6-71 exist as a SBD?" to more on warfare with veblen to art, music and rules with MS! Enjoyed myself thoroughly, and glad to find you see a connection or two yourself there (as I knew you would).

Yeah, for the first 30 yrs I always assumed, as the "story" goes with the boys, that somehow something as complex as the 11 was just a random "improvised jam" that they just happened to do over and over again (that was a clue the story was over simplified, eh?). Then, finding out they actually worked their asses off to achieve such complexity made me think even more highly of the boys...

Hope your change over to winter has not been too dramatic, and that the work front finds you emerging from what I took to be rough patch a short while back...I certainly miss your input around here, so hope it allows for more of that.

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Dec 7, 2008 12:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: tools of the rules

as usual, i glossed over another key element in a thread...i guess i thought it was a given (wrong again)

"as a writer..."

when people tell me they don't want to learn how to read and write music notation, or even understand music theory because their concerned it will ruin their creativity, i ask them if they felt learning to read and write their language is in some way detrimental to their spoken creativity

having said that, all the theory in the world does nothing if it isn't applied to "ear" training every step of the way, scales and exercises alone will not "teach" the fingers to be creative, a mere prerequisite at best



not to worry, just when it appears that serious artistic endeavors have become obsolete, some newb inevitably shows up on the scene, completely surpassing all previous expectations...at times like these i miss the big city with the grande concert halls and those overflowing little jazz clubs...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 7, 2008 2:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: tools of the rules

MS--you keep this up and you are going to join Ashes as one of those "Souls of the Forum" (ie, those that speak to the art and spirit of what we are about here).

Yeah, suppose you are bracing for the long haul about now...it's cloudy and dark today in SDH's backyard if that is any consolation to ya....

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Dec 7, 2008 3:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: tools of the rules

you're probably relieved to know that i'm tapped out on this one William...thanks for the rap, i thought the correlation between tools of writing and tools of music was apt (not that i know the first thing about writing) and didn't get the sense at anytime that we were necessarily at odds with each other's views (?), although "leap-frogging" can sometimes give that impression


not much consolation knowing your outside enviro is similar to my indoor climate (even then, only thanks to R40 ins and triple pane windows) hey, at least i don't pay for my ice

hope you gents have a fine day (that is so cool!)

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 7, 2008 4:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: tools of the rules

Hey my friend, know that whatever mistakes I make in posting, which are legion, they don't come between the friendship I like to think we have built here, as strange a relationship as it is, and for what it's worth I consider you one of the few very valued folks I have had the pleasure and honor of coming to know here.

Take care--only six months to go til it lightens up a bit.

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Dec 7, 2008 9:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: tools of the rules

:)

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Poster: whirlwind dreamer 65-95 Date: Dec 7, 2008 9:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: tools of the rules

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